
It is said Media is propagating the superstitious belief sideways attracting the viewers in the name of entertainment modules. It is rightly said, that over thousands of years of evolution, everything has changed except the way we think.
Society has changed a lot. The impact of Globalisation has affected people’s cultural status. They are swapped by high living standards and dazzling gizmos. The more we are moving on with the latest technologies the more we are becoming reserved and possessive regarding our thoughts and gratifications.
That makes us look for alternatives and methods by which we can hold on with and for the easy flow of destiny. Is it the “grahas and nakshatras” that help us in achieving our desired wishes? Why they are called by as the external forces which direct our happenings?
As you sow so shall you reap. Whatever a person does, he will get back what he deserves accordingly. But these are mere beliefs and are kept aside in a corner and going on for divine power for a blessed life doesn’t matter what Karma (action, deeds) he/she does.
When there is so much of superstitious belief and irrational beliefs of this kind i.e. to believe in the unbelievable and bizarre things... In media this is not a new thing to be discussed at. Horror stories and chronicles based on superstition and supernatural beliefs have been telecasted since very long.
The shows like Zee Horror show, Aahat, Shh Koi Hai, Shh Phir Koi Hai Nishaan, Koi Aane Ko Hai , Anhonee, Who, Mano Ya Na Mano, Kya Hadsa Kya Haqeeqat, Honi-Anhoni, X-Zone, Khaufnaak etc. have always been popular along with the other soap operas. Also in the mainstream Indian cinema movies like Raaz, 1920, Bhool Bhulaiya etc. have the pinched the notion of believing on the forces which are beyond our understanding. The picturisation of the mysterious part of the horror and thriller movies have good number of viewership.
Article 51-A(h) of the Indian Constitution states that “it shall be the duty of every citizen of India. to develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform.” But this is never taken into account by any organisation or individual as such.
No action is meted out nor does any one have a say when Indian cinema and television keeps harping on the triumph of superstition, ghosts, astrological predictions against the credibility and rationale that science offers. Rather this is a market force factor in relating to TRP’s and GRP’s.
There are scenes acted out in programmes with the prior gathering of information about the viewers beforehand and use it in their shows to create such delusions.There are large columns dedicated to astrological interpretations, numerology tarot card readings, fengshui, vaastu in newspapers and magazines.
It is Science versus Superstition. At times the Scientists are also prone to having their untenable beliefs despite their eminence in their field of specialization. There are number of weird beliefs and customs that are maintained and being followed.

It is a “breaking news” for the news channels every time there is something weird happening. And it for sure that heavy weights of illusive myths, superstitions, magic are injected, transmitted in everyone creating fear and phobias in the minds of the people.
Some recent news like father having sexual relationship with her daughter when a Tantrik allegedly encouraged the father of the family to rape his elder daughter, saying that he could become prosperous by doing so. Another case, a Tantrik appearing in dreams made the couple end up the life of their younger son with the transfusion of blood from their younger and more talented son to their elder one, who was academically mediocre believing that it could make the latter more bright. The operation, however, went horribly wrong and the younger sibling died of excessive bleeding. People, literate or illiterate repeatedly commit great mistakes in the name of divine power and blessings.
Forget about the fact, now it has been more to perpetuate belief in superstition, in ghosts, in astrological predictions, than to reinforce the value of science in everyday life. People are guided by astrology. It argues that there is no such thing as spirit possession, but rather that this is a manifestation of schizophrenia within the human psyche.
Instigating fear and anxiety through weird shows is unfair. This is making matters much worse because crimes are ever-increasing, it is lending people into a state of dilemma to choose what is best. Yes its true that tantrik forces are always fake still doubts erupt whether rely on divine forces or ones own spirit.
Who is to be blamed or can media be really accused for the blame game where superstition is the religion of feeble minds.
I didn't know that, seriously.
Not only this. One day a news channel was showing that weapons used in the Ramayna and Mahabharta were more advanced than missiles and bombs and scientists are trying to develop such weapons. What a joke?
The curriculum of Socrates? Have you ever heard of Michel Foucault or Francois Derrida? You purport to suggest philosophy as a solution and you know nothing of philosophy.
”People don’t know HOW to think, so they just think whatever someone tells them to think.”
You sound mighty guilty of the same thing. Why do you desire that mass media expose anything? Sounds like you don’t really what to teach people to think either. You just want to blast the people with your ideology. I would suggest that mass media will never be the Jesus Christ you wish it was. Actually, learning how to think is more like turning off mass media.
Questioning and thinking by the masses are dangerous to both politics and religion.
”i too get shocked seeing how people are swayed by thoughts which do not yield any fruit but only devastation..!!”
”Superstition is the biggest danger in the world today.”
Shocked, this is the 21st Century, danger etc.
How is it that the most educated ”21st century” people are ”shocked” and can’t understand why so many people are superstitious even today? Because we are just as ignorant as the people we are accusing of being ignorant. We have been inculcated with the philosophy of Modernism. A doctrine just as irrational as fundamentalism or totalitarian communism. When the world does not confirm to our ideology we’re baffled and ”shocked”. But nowhere are we tempted to reassess our own belief systems. We say that we believe in science and rationality but we forget a basic premise of science. When experiment or the world does not conform to our theory, our theory must be wrong, not the world.
If we want to understand the world we live in and stop being dumbfounded by it we have to come to a Post-Modernist understanding of it. Look, there will always be superstitious people and scientific people. The idea that ”progress” is wiping out irrational thought and superstition is its self a ”superstition”, a modernist superstition. Wake up, we are all here and deserve to be treated with respect. The reason why irrational forces are gaining so much strength today is because disrespectful modernists such as ourselves condemn the ”superstitious” as idiots. By the way, the superstitious have been here for thousands of years and after our ”rational” nuclear bombs blow us back to the stone age, we will be gone and the ”superstitious” will still be here. Become a little more thoughtful and less arrogant.
People who are neither infant or mentally handicapped do not need to be coddled, they should be reprimanded for infantile behavior lest they continue to act out their tantrums.
Anyone that thinks we- because we have a few complicated pieces of gadgetry that we still aren’t primative and early in evolution, just look at the religious supersitions and cultural supersitions and all sorts of supersitions perpetrated by stronger minds
Emotion and fear of the unknown are the play grounds of supersitions
Here is a perfect example, before the US invaded Iraq, it was ruled by the Socialist Ba’ath Party, an avowed secular party. We forget that Al Qaeda hated the secular Ba’ath Party as much as secular America. Yet we supposedly invaded Iraq to fight Islamic fundamentalism. In America we accepted this falsehood because most of us believe that all Arabs and Arabic countries are raving fundamentalists, a gross generalization.
Folks, we, Americans, are just as irrational, just as easily manipulated by our rulers, as some uneducated rural farmer living in a dirt floor hut. But the consequences of our irrational decisions are far more devastating.
Actually, it will continue to happen forever. The vision of a world where everyone’s living on the starship enterprise is science fiction. In the Soviet Union they tried for seventy years to wipe out religion and superstition and it failed. On the other hand, the Catholic Church had a thousand years to wipe out atheism and everything else and that failed too. The Post-Modernist solution and the reality of the world is that we’re all here together. And we should stop thinking in terms of ”wiping out” the other guy and learn to live with each other.
By the way, learning to live with each other must begin with you and me.
My parents did and do have some old out dated ways they cling to, like racism and the belief that women should be stupid and subservient. I didn’t fall for any of it! I am not a hypocrite, so no I don’t do one thing in front of my parents and something else behind their backs.
When my mother told me to stop reading because boys didn’t like smart girls and I would never be married, I put myself through college and got married.(that was 30 years ago and I am still married much to the chagrin of my parents.)
When my parents expressed racist views, I ignored them and was friends with who I wanted to be friends with.
If using your brain makes me a modernist, so be it.
Oh my aren’t we earnest!
You write, ”Like slavery it was educated out of some ...” I think we raped and blew up those who for it. Remember the American Civil War, General Sherman’s march to the sea or General Sheridan ”The only good Indian is a dead Indian” (he learned how to kill during the Civil War also). Don’t believe the movies. The American Civil War was quite brutal on all sides especially the last two years. Read eyewitness accounts.
An American woman recently told me that she didn’t go to downtown Jersey City, specifically Journal Sq. (I live here) because there were too many terrorists there. What she is mostly seeing are Hindu Indians (little India is just around the corner). Ever notice that all of the so-called Muslims getting beat up in America are Hindus or Sikhs? I wish you luck in educating the world but I don’t believe it.
I know all about the civil war, it is kinda required reading in American universities. (Rolls EYES)
There are still a few pockets of Bible thumpers in America who can’t be educated into believing that black people are human, and they are soooooo waiting for slavery to make a comeback.
BUT....
The majority of human beings on the planet are capable of being educated. People used to resist bathing for superstitious reasons too, most were educated out of that mindset by the bubonic plague.
So yea, most refuse to be educated willingly, it takes some disaster to shake them out of their superstitious comas, but it can be done.
The abolition movement before the American Civil War was a religious movement. John Brown was a minister. The 60’s (really 50’s) civil rights movement started as a religious movement. Martin Luther King Jr. was a minister.
I agree with Nuya that educating the masses is a right way to prevent people from falling the victim of superstitions.Though I have no hesitation in stating that in our times we have come up with scientific superstitions,it should not be used as pretext to prevent people from getting rid of bogus beliefs.I have also no hesitation in stating that beliefs of ancient times do serve purpose and are in fact are a perfect mean to unfold the mysteries of nature.That’s why I feel our life should be the combination of best ancient and modern practices.
However, at present, I wish to state that we need to get of certain superstitions that are acting as roadblocks.See what’s happening in Indian villages .A woman, suffering from psychological disorder,is branded as ”Witch ” by the so-called Tantriks(people practicing black magic or tantra system ).The superstitions come in the way of proper treatment of such women.
Just see what’s happening in Congo : http://danballuff.instablogs.com/entry/children-of-congo-from-war-to-witches/#comment-609549
That’s why I feel media can play a great role by creating awareness.And yes, education as suggested by Nuya, can prove to be handy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-514433/International-fury-Saudi-Arabias-plans-behead-woman-accused-witch.html
They are going to behead a poor, illiterate woman!!!
The media of world is trying to shed light on the deeply ingrained superstitions of the Saudis. International outcry has saved a few lives in Saudi already. It has kept them from stoning a rape victim to death and made them rethink awarding an 8 year old girl a divorce.
The evil that man does is often done under cover of darkness...SHINE THAT SPOTLIGHT.. in every corner, nook and cranny wherever superstition resides.
Interesting, mentally ill woman is branded a witch in a village in India. In America someone who smokes pot goes to jail. Just as ridiculous. It’s easy to see how the mentally ill woman is not a witch. But I know all kinds of people who take drugs and their normal people, some are very wealthy or have prestigious jobs. But we accept that they should go to jail.
Look, I see one set of irrational fears and superstitions replaced by new ones.
”Look, I see one set of irrational fears and superstitions replaced by new ones.”
That’s why feel ever age has its own form of superstitions.When we lesser evolved souls,the superstitions were simple ones.In our times when we are loaded with scientific temper, we are used to get rid of all our flaws by calling it ”genetic” !!
You are flogging a dead horse if you are trying to insult me, I don’t care what you think.
You have no clue about cause and effect, the woman did not choose to be mentally ill, the pot chose smoke pot, there is nothing even remotely corollary about those 2 things.
Your correct about one thing. You are a dead horse!
This statement is slightly ridiculous. Supposedly during the Dark Ages, Europe was in a period of ”superstitions, witchcraft,irrational thoughts and fears”. Did not this period eventually lead to the modern world?
Google witchcraft and you will find plenty of people who believe in witchcraft today in America. I don’t think this is going to lead to the devastation of America.
Didn’t the superstitious say the same thing about scientists, like Galileo? But their fears were unfounded as well. Science rules and the Catholic Church and every other superstition exists as well.
”The very fact..existence of superstitious beliefs were there since the beginning of human evolution...but to time the acceptance of the concept or so to say belief has changed...the human identity itself is shaken...!!”
What does this mean?
” ... will only lead to devastation.”
People have said this a million times. I remember when they used to say if we legalized gays the human race would die out, but non-gay people are still having sex. As reprehensible as it may be, I seriously doubt a few villagers drinking each others blood is going to cause the collapse of civilization.
It may not end all life on the planet but it has already made a huge dent in the population of the world as well as contribute to untold human suffering.
Argue what you will, but every conflict in the world today has a religious element.
There were great civilizations in the world before Monotheism caused the decline of civilization and ushered in the dark ages.
All of those republics and empires fought for land and riches and when people got sick of the fighting and started to refuse to take up arms because they could not be inspired to kill for what they already had enough of....The God of Abraham was invented to inspire more killing.
The authors rightly concluded that they could retain their power and wealth if they could trick the unwashed masses into doing their bidding with only promises of something that could not be seen. No one was going to come back from the dead and report that they had not received a castle in the sky surrounded by streets paved of gold.
All they had to do was take some accounts of events past and embellish the stories with some supernatural components and voila’ a religion is born. Just enough real facts to make it ring true with villagers and farmers, but not enough detail to be rouse the suspicion of the gentry.
The Jews had been using their females as currency and as bargaining tools, but more advanced civilizations had begun to see the rise of women in business and academia and that threatened to cut into their profits, and political ambitions. Thus Eve, the mother of all the worlds ills was devised. What better way to get men to view women as not deserving of any rights and not to be trusted? Something as evil as woman must be kept under control! They managed to retard the advancement of women for 2000 years. All because people bought into superstition. Yes, it is that dangerous!
That is a feminist version. We do not know for sure what exactly led to what and to what extent. The 2000 year theory is what feminists say and is unchallenged. I can say that men were subjugated for 3000 years before that. But there is no end to it. Feminists are making profit out of women’s rights by setting up shops all over to sell them to women without corresponding responsibilities. Today’s women are taking the advantage of men and are exploiting men to the core. Hypocrisy at its best! A one-sided propoganda is not a fair one. You need to listen to what the men have to say. Laws, policies and conclusions drawn upon mere feminist perspectives are not conclusive and balanced. Where is the male perspective? I am sure going by the way feminism is heading towards, there was a time in the past when men were severely discrimination. That led to a mass uprising of men. Today, the men’s movement has started. In a few decades, it would gain momentum. Discrimination faced by men is not even seen or recognised, let alone addressed.
Men are far more exploited by the system than women, except that it is hidden, and severe, not visible for all to see. Hence, there is a general belief that men are not oppressed. Its a blatant violation of men’s rights.
Actually, your revolution is going on right now but your in the wrong religion. Join the Taliban. Sounds like they’re your boys.
You got it wrong. Talibanist values have been imbibed by you feminists except that it is in the reverse. Why would I join Taliban when all i want is equal rights, empowerment and justice for men? Does anybody who opposes feminism becomes a Taliban? Do I become a Taliban just by demanding human rights for men? How crazy! YOU ARE THE REAL TALIBAN IN REVERSE! YOU WANT MEN TO BE SLAVES TO WOMEN!
You don’t help your cause frothing at the mouth. Try not to loose it. You only make yourself look irrational.
I am not vomitting and shitting like feminists are doing. I am exposing the truth. I know feminists like you find it very uncomfortable. But you have no choice but to digest the hard fact. Yes, men are back and rising. That does not make them the Taliban. To give you an example of Feminism which has turned into Taliban, do you even know that there is no fair trial, right of defence to men in the domestic violence act? Besides, men are handcuffed and sent behind bars on the mere accusation of a woman without evidence besides she can acquire his property and live there until the case is over. The accused man is held guilty untiil proven innocent. While the woman goes scotfree even after lodging a false case. SO MUCH FOR FEMINAZISM! ITS NOTHING BUT TALIBANISM! A RIGHT TO A FAIR TRIAL IS PART OF ANY CIVILIZED SOCIETY WHICH IS ABSENT IN FEMINIST COUNTRIES FOR MEN!
”Religion is superstition and it involves more than a few villagers.”
.....It’s a totally fatal view of religion.Einstein had advocated for interdependence between ”Religion” and ”Science”.Was he promoting superstition ?
His views on atheism, and agnosticism are well documented. He was not superstitious or religious.
I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.
- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.
- Albert Einstein, letter to Morris Raphael Cohen, professor emeritus of philosophy at the College of the City of New York, March 19, 1940. Einstein is defending the appointment of Bertrand Russell to a teaching position.
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954
Einstein was a deeply religious person.However,he was religious in his own natural way.I mean his definition of religion was uncommon.It was very close to Advaita Philosophy coined by Sri Shankracharya who believed in supremacy of Brahaman-the Supreme Consciousness. God has been treated as Impersonal in Shnkara’s philosophy ,the way Einstein thought about God in his times.
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Religious Feeling in Science
Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man.... In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
— Letter to a child who asked if scientists pray, January 24, 1936; Einstein Archive 42-601
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The Religious Character of Science
I have found no better expression than ”religious” for confidence in the rational nature of reality, insofar as it is accessible to human reason. Whenever this feeling is absent, science degenerates into uninspired empiricism.
Letter to Maurice Solovine, I January 1, 1951; Einstein Archive 21-174, 80-871, published in Letters to Solovine , p. 119.
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Einstein Admits Being Religious
When asked by an astounded atheist, if he were in fact deeply religious, Einstein replied:
Yes, you can call it that. Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in point of fact, religious.
— H. G. Kessler, The Diary of a Cosmopolitan, (London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1971), p.157; quoted in Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer (Princeton University Press, 1999) pp. 39-40.
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http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/religioncomments.html
There is no superstition in science.
I beg to differ.You have not understood his standpoint.I have already stated that he understood religion from his unique perspective.And that I have stated differs from the standard understanding of the word religion.
That’s why he stated : ” I have found no better expression than ”religious” for confidence in the rational nature of reality, insofar as it is accessible to human reason. Whenever this feeling is absent, science degenerates into uninspired empiricism.”
Yes, he was not interested in rituals or for that matter outward form of religions.
But that’s the case with all highest Yogis.Once you reach that state of mind you lose interest in religion as understood by the common people.Religion than become love for supreme consciousness.It becomes love for ”Spirit” referred to many times by Einstein.
You say that you have studied philosophy.But I feel you need to refresh your knowledge to be aware of the fact that Einstein is talking about the love for Supreme Consciousness.It’s there in Indian Philosophy.It’s also in Sufi Philosophy.In fact,it’s been stated by all the enlightened thinkers across the globe.
Nuya is a not interested intellectual discourse or learning. She has her narrow stereotypical way of looking at any issue and will not be convinced especially with evidence or proof.
I am aware of it Me Enki.Yes,it’s very difficult to shatter conditioning of mind.I am used to dealing with such minds both on Instablogs and elsewhere.Anyway,it’s a tough nut to crack when people are neither interested in knowing your views nor interested in having a deeper look at the facts presented by you other than endorsing their limited understanding.
Nuya has till now not lost her temper,at least in this debate, but I have usually met so many readers and writers who lose temper when likes of me bombard them with facts and viewpoints.
In one of the debates she has hailed me and Rohan as women hater..hahaha
I have a sister-in-law who tells me that herbal remedies do not work. But she gets migraine headaches that her pharmaceuticals do nothing for. She sees no contradiction.
Funny, if an herb is illegal then suddenly it works all too well!
Personally, I use anything, from any tradition or pharmaceutical that will help me.
Are you living in the 21st century? Would you please name any one who claim to cure the diseases with tantra-mantra. Ayurveda and homeopathy may have some impact but that too has scientific reasons. Don’t try to mislead the people on tantra –mantra.
Living in 21st century doesn’t mean that we should start cursing tantra and mantra !It’s not necessary that everything beyond the realm of human logic be condemned.
Ask yourself what has religion done to improve India? If religion was the answer to anything, India would be paradise on Earth because the Hindu religion has been around a lot longer than the others. Science and technology have elevated pockets of the population out of poverty and strife in a few short years. Something that religion failed to do in thousands of years.
I have already stated that your knowledge of religion and philosophy is not up to the mark.
You say that ” Religion and enlightenment are the complete opposite of each other ”.
That’s totally false.The likes of Swami Vivekananda and Sri Ramakrishna have already stated that religion is realization.In Hindu philosophy and Hindu Religion (both are inseparable)religion it’s made very clear that enlightenment is the ultimate goal of all the practices.You chose different paths but the goal is one.
The contribution of Hindu religion is immense to Indian landscape.It has allowed us to retain our identity even after a long Muslim and British rule.How many countries have been able to retain their identity after facing long list of oppressors.It’s because of Hindu religion that we have not become self centered ,greedy and materialistic like Westerners,who are using most of the resources of world in mindless manner.
And plz don’t talk about the contribution of science.The humanity is in danger because of so many inventions.It’s virtually on deathbed.Flora and fauna is on the verge of total elimination.No need to tell you that most of the misuse or so-called constructive use of science has taken place in the Western world.The constructive use that has made man slave of technology.
Religion and enlightenment are two totally opposite things. In fact religion has always misled the people and is the cause of conflicts world wide.
You are right Leena that it’s not religion but our own misplaced and erroneous beliefs that have wrecked the lives of innocent human beings.
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Not only this. One day a news channel was showing that weapons used in the Ramayna and Mahabharta were more advanced than missiles and bombs and scientists are trying to develop such weapons. What a joke?
I agree with Nuya that educating the masses is a right way to prevent people from falling the victim of superstitions.Though I have no hesitation in stating that in our times we have come up with scientific superstitions,it should not be used as pretext to prevent people from getting rid of bogus beliefs.I have also no hesitation in stating that beliefs of ancient times do serve purpose and are in fact are a perfect mean to unfold the mysteries of nature.That’s why I feel our life should be the combination of best ancient and modern practices.
However, at present, I wish to state that we need to get of certain superstitions that are acting as roadblocks.See what’s happening in Indian villages .A woman, suffering from psychological disorder,is branded as ”Witch ” by the so-called Tantriks(people practicing black magic or tantra system ).The superstitions come in the way of proper treatment of such women.
Just see what’s happening in Congo : http://danballuff.instablogs.com/entry/children-of-congo-from-war-to-witches/#comment-609549
That’s why I feel media can play a great role by creating awareness.And yes, education as suggested by Nuya, can prove to be handy.
”Look, I see one set of irrational fears and superstitions replaced by new ones.”
That’s why feel ever age has its own form of superstitions.When we lesser evolved souls,the superstitions were simple ones.In our times when we are loaded with scientific temper, we are used to get rid of all our flaws by calling it ”genetic” !!
That is a feminist version. We do not know for sure what exactly led to what and to what extent. The 2000 year theory is what feminists say and is unchallenged. I can say that men were subjugated for 3000 years before that. But there is no end to it. Feminists are making profit out of women’s rights by setting up shops all over to sell them to women without corresponding responsibilities. Today’s women are taking the advantage of men and are exploiting men to the core. Hypocrisy at its best! A one-sided propoganda is not a fair one. You need to listen to what the men have to say. Laws, policies and conclusions drawn upon mere feminist perspectives are not conclusive and balanced. Where is the male perspective? I am sure going by the way feminism is heading towards, there was a time in the past when men were severely discrimination. That led to a mass uprising of men. Today, the men’s movement has started. In a few decades, it would gain momentum. Discrimination faced by men is not even seen or recognised, let alone addressed.
Men are far more exploited by the system than women, except that it is hidden, and severe, not visible for all to see. Hence, there is a general belief that men are not oppressed. Its a blatant violation of men’s rights.
You got it wrong. Talibanist values have been imbibed by you feminists except that it is in the reverse. Why would I join Taliban when all i want is equal rights, empowerment and justice for men? Does anybody who opposes feminism becomes a Taliban? Do I become a Taliban just by demanding human rights for men? How crazy! YOU ARE THE REAL TALIBAN IN REVERSE! YOU WANT MEN TO BE SLAVES TO WOMEN!
I am not vomitting and shitting like feminists are doing. I am exposing the truth. I know feminists like you find it very uncomfortable. But you have no choice but to digest the hard fact. Yes, men are back and rising. That does not make them the Taliban. To give you an example of Feminism which has turned into Taliban, do you even know that there is no fair trial, right of defence to men in the domestic violence act? Besides, men are handcuffed and sent behind bars on the mere accusation of a woman without evidence besides she can acquire his property and live there until the case is over. The accused man is held guilty untiil proven innocent. While the woman goes scotfree even after lodging a false case. SO MUCH FOR FEMINAZISM! ITS NOTHING BUT TALIBANISM! A RIGHT TO A FAIR TRIAL IS PART OF ANY CIVILIZED SOCIETY WHICH IS ABSENT IN FEMINIST COUNTRIES FOR MEN!
”Religion is superstition and it involves more than a few villagers.”
.....It’s a totally fatal view of religion.Einstein had advocated for interdependence between ”Religion” and ”Science”.Was he promoting superstition ?
Einstein was a deeply religious person.However,he was religious in his own natural way.I mean his definition of religion was uncommon.It was very close to Advaita Philosophy coined by Sri Shankracharya who believed in supremacy of Brahaman-the Supreme Consciousness. God has been treated as Impersonal in Shnkara’s philosophy ,the way Einstein thought about God in his times.
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Religious Feeling in Science
Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man.... In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.
— Letter to a child who asked if scientists pray, January 24, 1936; Einstein Archive 42-601
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The Religious Character of Science
I have found no better expression than ”religious” for confidence in the rational nature of reality, insofar as it is accessible to human reason. Whenever this feeling is absent, science degenerates into uninspired empiricism.
Letter to Maurice Solovine, I January 1, 1951; Einstein Archive 21-174, 80-871, published in Letters to Solovine , p. 119.
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Einstein Admits Being Religious
When asked by an astounded atheist, if he were in fact deeply religious, Einstein replied:
Yes, you can call it that. Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in point of fact, religious.
— H. G. Kessler, The Diary of a Cosmopolitan, (London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1971), p.157; quoted in Einstein and Religion by Max Jammer (Princeton University Press, 1999) pp. 39-40.
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http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/religioncomments.html
I beg to differ.You have not understood his standpoint.I have already stated that he understood religion from his unique perspective.And that I have stated differs from the standard understanding of the word religion.
That’s why he stated : ” I have found no better expression than ”religious” for confidence in the rational nature of reality, insofar as it is accessible to human reason. Whenever this feeling is absent, science degenerates into uninspired empiricism.”
Yes, he was not interested in rituals or for that matter outward form of religions.
But that’s the case with all highest Yogis.Once you reach that state of mind you lose interest in religion as understood by the common people.Religion than become love for supreme consciousness.It becomes love for ”Spirit” referred to many times by Einstein.
You say that you have studied philosophy.But I feel you need to refresh your knowledge to be aware of the fact that Einstein is talking about the love for Supreme Consciousness.It’s there in Indian Philosophy.It’s also in Sufi Philosophy.In fact,it’s been stated by all the enlightened thinkers across the globe.
I am aware of it Me Enki.Yes,it’s very difficult to shatter conditioning of mind.I am used to dealing with such minds both on Instablogs and elsewhere.Anyway,it’s a tough nut to crack when people are neither interested in knowing your views nor interested in having a deeper look at the facts presented by you other than endorsing their limited understanding.
Nuya has till now not lost her temper,at least in this debate, but I have usually met so many readers and writers who lose temper when likes of me bombard them with facts and viewpoints.
In one of the debates she has hailed me and Rohan as women hater..hahaha
I have already stated that your knowledge of religion and philosophy is not up to the mark.
You say that ” Religion and enlightenment are the complete opposite of each other ”.
That’s totally false.The likes of Swami Vivekananda and Sri Ramakrishna have already stated that religion is realization.In Hindu philosophy and Hindu Religion (both are inseparable)religion it’s made very clear that enlightenment is the ultimate goal of all the practices.You chose different paths but the goal is one.
The contribution of Hindu religion is immense to Indian landscape.It has allowed us to retain our identity even after a long Muslim and British rule.How many countries have been able to retain their identity after facing long list of oppressors.It’s because of Hindu religion that we have not become self centered ,greedy and materialistic like Westerners,who are using most of the resources of world in mindless manner.
And plz don’t talk about the contribution of science.The humanity is in danger because of so many inventions.It’s virtually on deathbed.Flora and fauna is on the verge of total elimination.No need to tell you that most of the misuse or so-called constructive use of science has taken place in the Western world.The constructive use that has made man slave of technology.
Are you living in the 21st century? Would you please name any one who claim to cure the diseases with tantra-mantra. Ayurveda and homeopathy may have some impact but that too has scientific reasons. Don’t try to mislead the people on tantra –mantra.
Religion and enlightenment are two totally opposite things. In fact religion has always misled the people and is the cause of conflicts world wide.
You are right Leena that it’s not religion but our own misplaced and erroneous beliefs that have wrecked the lives of innocent human beings.
Living in 21st century doesn’t mean that we should start cursing tantra and mantra !It’s not necessary that everything beyond the realm of human logic be condemned.
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”i too get shocked seeing how people are swayed by thoughts which do not yield any fruit but only devastation..!!”
”Superstition is the biggest danger in the world today.”
Shocked, this is the 21st Century, danger etc.
How is it that the most educated ”21st century” people are ”shocked” and can’t understand why so many people are superstitious even today? Because we are just as ignorant as the people we are accusing of being ignorant. We have been inculcated with the philosophy of Modernism. A doctrine just as irrational as fundamentalism or totalitarian communism. When the world does not confirm to our ideology we’re baffled and ”shocked”. But nowhere are we tempted to reassess our own belief systems. We say that we believe in science and rationality but we forget a basic premise of science. When experiment or the world does not conform to our theory, our theory must be wrong, not the world.
If we want to understand the world we live in and stop being dumbfounded by it we have to come to a Post-Modernist understanding of it. Look, there will always be superstitious people and scientific people. The idea that ”progress” is wiping out irrational thought and superstition is its self a ”superstition”, a modernist superstition. Wake up, we are all here and deserve to be treated with respect. The reason why irrational forces are gaining so much strength today is because disrespectful modernists such as ourselves condemn the ”superstitious” as idiots. By the way, the superstitious have been here for thousands of years and after our ”rational” nuclear bombs blow us back to the stone age, we will be gone and the ”superstitious” will still be here. Become a little more thoughtful and less arrogant.
Anyone that thinks we- because we have a few complicated pieces of gadgetry that we still aren’t primative and early in evolution, just look at the religious supersitions and cultural supersitions and all sorts of supersitions perpetrated by stronger minds
Emotion and fear of the unknown are the play grounds of supersitions
Here is a perfect example, before the US invaded Iraq, it was ruled by the Socialist Ba’ath Party, an avowed secular party. We forget that Al Qaeda hated the secular Ba’ath Party as much as secular America. Yet we supposedly invaded Iraq to fight Islamic fundamentalism. In America we accepted this falsehood because most of us believe that all Arabs and Arabic countries are raving fundamentalists, a gross generalization.
Folks, we, Americans, are just as irrational, just as easily manipulated by our rulers, as some uneducated rural farmer living in a dirt floor hut. But the consequences of our irrational decisions are far more devastating.
People who are neither infant or mentally handicapped do not need to be coddled, they should be reprimanded for infantile behavior lest they continue to act out their tantrums.
The curriculum of Socrates? Have you ever heard of Michel Foucault or Francois Derrida? You purport to suggest philosophy as a solution and you know nothing of philosophy.
”People don’t know HOW to think, so they just think whatever someone tells them to think.”
You sound mighty guilty of the same thing. Why do you desire that mass media expose anything? Sounds like you don’t really what to teach people to think either. You just want to blast the people with your ideology. I would suggest that mass media will never be the Jesus Christ you wish it was. Actually, learning how to think is more like turning off mass media.
Actually, it will continue to happen forever. The vision of a world where everyone’s living on the starship enterprise is science fiction. In the Soviet Union they tried for seventy years to wipe out religion and superstition and it failed. On the other hand, the Catholic Church had a thousand years to wipe out atheism and everything else and that failed too. The Post-Modernist solution and the reality of the world is that we’re all here together. And we should stop thinking in terms of ”wiping out” the other guy and learn to live with each other.
By the way, learning to live with each other must begin with you and me.
Questioning and thinking by the masses are dangerous to both politics and religion.
My parents did and do have some old out dated ways they cling to, like racism and the belief that women should be stupid and subservient. I didn’t fall for any of it! I am not a hypocrite, so no I don’t do one thing in front of my parents and something else behind their backs.
When my mother told me to stop reading because boys didn’t like smart girls and I would never be married, I put myself through college and got married.(that was 30 years ago and I am still married much to the chagrin of my parents.)
When my parents expressed racist views, I ignored them and was friends with who I wanted to be friends with.
If using your brain makes me a modernist, so be it.
Oh my aren’t we earnest!
You write, ”Like slavery it was educated out of some ...” I think we raped and blew up those who for it. Remember the American Civil War, General Sherman’s march to the sea or General Sheridan ”The only good Indian is a dead Indian” (he learned how to kill during the Civil War also). Don’t believe the movies. The American Civil War was quite brutal on all sides especially the last two years. Read eyewitness accounts.
An American woman recently told me that she didn’t go to downtown Jersey City, specifically Journal Sq. (I live here) because there were too many terrorists there. What she is mostly seeing are Hindu Indians (little India is just around the corner). Ever notice that all of the so-called Muslims getting beat up in America are Hindus or Sikhs? I wish you luck in educating the world but I don’t believe it.
I know all about the civil war, it is kinda required reading in American universities. (Rolls EYES)
There are still a few pockets of Bible thumpers in America who can’t be educated into believing that black people are human, and they are soooooo waiting for slavery to make a comeback.
BUT....
The majority of human beings on the planet are capable of being educated. People used to resist bathing for superstitious reasons too, most were educated out of that mindset by the bubonic plague.
So yea, most refuse to be educated willingly, it takes some disaster to shake them out of their superstitious comas, but it can be done.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-514433/International-fury-Saudi-Arabias-plans-behead-woman-accused-witch.html
They are going to behead a poor, illiterate woman!!!
The media of world is trying to shed light on the deeply ingrained superstitions of the Saudis. International outcry has saved a few lives in Saudi already. It has kept them from stoning a rape victim to death and made them rethink awarding an 8 year old girl a divorce.
The evil that man does is often done under cover of darkness...SHINE THAT SPOTLIGHT.. in every corner, nook and cranny wherever superstition resides.
Interesting, mentally ill woman is branded a witch in a village in India. In America someone who smokes pot goes to jail. Just as ridiculous. It’s easy to see how the mentally ill woman is not a witch. But I know all kinds of people who take drugs and their normal people, some are very wealthy or have prestigious jobs. But we accept that they should go to jail.
Look, I see one set of irrational fears and superstitions replaced by new ones.
The abolition movement before the American Civil War was a religious movement. John Brown was a minister. The 60’s (really 50’s) civil rights movement started as a religious movement. Martin Luther King Jr. was a minister.
This statement is slightly ridiculous. Supposedly during the Dark Ages, Europe was in a period of ”superstitions, witchcraft,irrational thoughts and fears”. Did not this period eventually lead to the modern world?
Google witchcraft and you will find plenty of people who believe in witchcraft today in America. I don’t think this is going to lead to the devastation of America.
Didn’t the superstitious say the same thing about scientists, like Galileo? But their fears were unfounded as well. Science rules and the Catholic Church and every other superstition exists as well.
”The very fact..existence of superstitious beliefs were there since the beginning of human evolution...but to time the acceptance of the concept or so to say belief has changed...the human identity itself is shaken...!!”
What does this mean?
” ... will only lead to devastation.”
People have said this a million times. I remember when they used to say if we legalized gays the human race would die out, but non-gay people are still having sex. As reprehensible as it may be, I seriously doubt a few villagers drinking each others blood is going to cause the collapse of civilization.
You are flogging a dead horse if you are trying to insult me, I don’t care what you think.
You have no clue about cause and effect, the woman did not choose to be mentally ill, the pot chose smoke pot, there is nothing even remotely corollary about those 2 things.
It may not end all life on the planet but it has already made a huge dent in the population of the world as well as contribute to untold human suffering.
Argue what you will, but every conflict in the world today has a religious element.
There were great civilizations in the world before Monotheism caused the decline of civilization and ushered in the dark ages.
All of those republics and empires fought for land and riches and when people got sick of the fighting and started to refuse to take up arms because they could not be inspired to kill for what they already had enough of....The God of Abraham was invented to inspire more killing.
The authors rightly concluded that they could retain their power and wealth if they could trick the unwashed masses into doing their bidding with only promises of something that could not be seen. No one was going to come back from the dead and report that they had not received a castle in the sky surrounded by streets paved of gold.
All they had to do was take some accounts of events past and embellish the stories with some supernatural components and voila’ a religion is born. Just enough real facts to make it ring true with villagers and farmers, but not enough detail to be rouse the suspicion of the gentry.
The Jews had been using their females as currency and as bargaining tools, but more advanced civilizations had begun to see the rise of women in business and academia and that threatened to cut into their profits, and political ambitions. Thus Eve, the mother of all the worlds ills was devised. What better way to get men to view women as not deserving of any rights and not to be trusted? Something as evil as woman must be kept under control! They managed to retard the advancement of women for 2000 years. All because people bought into superstition. Yes, it is that dangerous!
I have a sister-in-law who tells me that herbal remedies do not work. But she gets migraine headaches that her pharmaceuticals do nothing for. She sees no contradiction.
Funny, if an herb is illegal then suddenly it works all too well!
Personally, I use anything, from any tradition or pharmaceutical that will help me.
Your correct about one thing. You are a dead horse!
Actually, your revolution is going on right now but your in the wrong religion. Join the Taliban. Sounds like they’re your boys.
You don’t help your cause frothing at the mouth. Try not to loose it. You only make yourself look irrational.
His views on atheism, and agnosticism are well documented. He was not superstitious or religious.
I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.
- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.
- Albert Einstein, letter to Morris Raphael Cohen, professor emeritus of philosophy at the College of the City of New York, March 19, 1940. Einstein is defending the appointment of Bertrand Russell to a teaching position.
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954
There is no superstition in science.
Nuya is a not interested intellectual discourse or learning. She has her narrow stereotypical way of looking at any issue and will not be convinced especially with evidence or proof.
Ask yourself what has religion done to improve India? If religion was the answer to anything, India would be paradise on Earth because the Hindu religion has been around a lot longer than the others. Science and technology have elevated pockets of the population out of poverty and strife in a few short years. Something that religion failed to do in thousands of years.
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